Hilary speaks here with Professor Rik Peters an historian-philosopher who develops the Learning History as a method for engaging with socially relevant action in Holland. Thinking of history as a way to bridge to practical scenario planning, he is helping cities in Holland grapple with integration of refugees. He draws much from the theory of Collingwood and Croce to suggest that nothing is as practical as a good history! In 2004, Rik designed the course Learning Histories and Organizations at the University of Groningen, where, in 2014, he was promoted to Associate Professor in Modern History. Rik has widely published in international journals, like History and Theory, Clio, Storia della storiografia, Collingwood Studies and the Journal of Organizational Change Management. His monograph History as Thought and Action. The Philosophies of Croce, Gentile, de Ruggiero and Collingwood (2013) is the first book length study on this subject. Rik will host a conference for learning historians in 2017.